yep…Tucker Carlson hates Trump. Let that sink in.
I just don’t think that this is a realistic way of evaluating Republican candidates at all any more.
I absolutely believe your numbers, I don’t think you’re lying or anything.
I think they’re lying. To themselves. Republicans and “moderate” conservatives will swear up and down until they’re blue in the face that they hate Trump, don’t believe in Trump, think Trump is the worst, etc, etc. But when they’re actually in the voting booth, they’ll vote R.
I totally believe that 41% of Evangelical Christians say they don’t want Trump. I also believe that by the time we’re actually voting, their pastors will have long since finished the “Biden is the devil and we sometimes have to make hard choices to protect America” spiel.
To expand that: Republicans famously have low primary voting. Trump was selected with only %13 of the total voting Republican population.
But despite having no characteristics that were demanded in the past: Family Values, Christian faith, Connection to “Real Americans” aka rural Americans etc. Republicans voted for him up and down.
So while they can say “I don’t want Trump” how many are willing to vote for Biden if that’s the other choice?
I just don’t think that this is a realistic way of evaluating Republican candidates at all any more.
I absolutely believe your numbers, I don’t think you’re lying or anything.
I think they’re lying. To themselves. Republicans and “moderate” conservatives will swear up and down until they’re blue in the face that they hate Trump, don’t believe in Trump, think Trump is the worst, etc, etc. But when they’re actually in the voting booth, they’ll vote R.
I totally believe that 41% of Evangelical Christians say they don’t want Trump. I also believe that by the time we’re actually voting, their pastors will have long since finished the “Biden is the devil and we sometimes have to make hard choices to protect America” spiel.
Why do they have to be lying? Couldn’t some of the 61% who don’t want Trump to be President also want Biden to be President less?
There’s similar (though not as bad) numbers of Democrats saying they’d prefer Biden not run in '24, but I wouldn’t say they’re lying if they decide in Nov. '24 that he’s preferable to Trump.
After seven years of this, I just don’t have a lot of empathy or benefit of the doubt left to extend to people who have been insisting that they don’t want these things to happen, while voting in a way that makes them happen.
Sure, they might just be fence-sitting, not maliciously saying whatever they think will get them the most social approval while doing whatever hurts the most people who aren’t like them as possible, but why would I keep extending them the benefit of the doubt at this point?
At some point you’re the sucker, if you keep letting people jerk you around.
Why do they have to be lying? Couldn’t some of the 61% who don’t want Trump to be President also want Biden to be President less?
There’s similar (though not as bad) numbers of Democrats saying they’d prefer Biden not run in '24, but I wouldn’t say they’re lying if they decide in Nov. '24 that he’s preferable to Trump.
I voted for Bernie in the '16 primary and Trump in the general, Bernie because I thought he meant well and Trump because Clinton’s foreign policy terrified me as much as Bush’s, if not more. I sat out '20, which I’ve come to regret because Biden’s foreign policy is just as bad if not worse than I’d imagined Clinton’s would have been.
The Bush neocons didn’t disappear when Trump humiliated them in the '16 primary, they just went back to the Democratic party, where they came from in the first place. I used to think they were evil, and maybe the old ones were, but this generation just seems incompetent. Still, that incompetence can just as easily get us all killed.
I’m not really typical of a potential Trump voter, but I know enough conservatives who are who aren’t crazy about him but will definitely vote for him if he’s on the ballot. This is the endgame of lesser evil voting, and anyone who votes for the major parties perpetuates it.
After seven years of this, I just don’t have a lot of empathy or benefit of the doubt left to extend to people who have been insisting that they don’t want these things to happen, while voting in a way that makes them happen.
Sure, they might just be fence-sitting, not maliciously saying whatever they think will get them the most social approval while doing whatever hurts the most people who aren’t like them as possible, but why would I keep extending them the benefit of the doubt at this point?
At some point you’re the sucker, if you keep letting people jerk you around.
I think the knee-jerk reaction is this will help him in the primary - at the very least providing a huge fundraising boost, but it’s hard to imagine this isn’t a massive blow to his chances with non-MAGA independents he needs to win the general.
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I voted for Bernie in the '16 primary and Trump in the general, Bernie because I thought he meant well and Trump because Clinton’s foreign policy terrified me as much as Bush’s, if not more. I sat out '20, which I’ve come to regret because Biden’s foreign policy is just as bad if not worse than I’d imagined Clinton’s would have been.
The Bush neocons didn’t disappear when Trump humiliated them in the '16 primary, they just went back to the Democratic party, where they came from in the first place. I used to think they were evil, and maybe the old ones were, but this generation just seems incompetent. Still, that incompetence can just as easily get us all killed.
I’m not really typical of a potential Trump voter, but I know enough conservatives who are who aren’t crazy about him but will definitely vote for him if he’s on the ballot. This is the endgame of lesser evil voting, and anyone who votes for the major parties perpetuates it.
Who said support or back? I said vote for.
Our so-called democracy is degenerate at this point, both parties captured by overlapping corporate interests, each appealing to culture war issues but largely in agreement on issues such as economics, foreign policy, and domestic surveillance.
Sanders and Trump are among the very few politicians who both speak uncomfortable truths the establishment doesn’t want told and made a serious run for the presidency.
I voted for Bernie in the '16 primary and Trump in the general, Bernie because I thought he meant well and Trump because Clinton’s foreign policy terrified me as much as Bush’s, if not more. I sat out '20, which I’ve come to regret because Biden’s foreign policy is just as bad if not worse than I’d imagined Clinton’s would have been.
The Bush neocons didn’t disappear when Trump humiliated them in the '16 primary, they just went back to the Democratic party, where they came from in the first place. I used to think they were evil, and maybe the old ones were, but this generation just seems incompetent. Still, that incompetence can just as easily get us all killed.
I’m not really typical of a potential Trump voter, but I know enough conservatives who are who aren’t crazy about him but will definitely vote for him if he’s on the ballot. This is the endgame of lesser evil voting, and anyone who votes for the major parties perpetuates it.
Sanders and Trump are among the very few politicians who both speak uncomfortable truths the establishment doesn’t want told and made a serious run for the presidency.
Trump is a pathological liar. Even if he does occasionally say something that’s true, there’s too many lies to wade through to find it. He’s been this way since long before he ran for president.
Who said support or back? I said vote for.
Our so-called democracy is degenerate at this point, both parties captured by overlapping corporate interests, each appealing to culture war issues but largely in agreement on issues such as economics, foreign policy, and domestic surveillance.
Sanders and Trump are among the very few politicians who both speak uncomfortable truths the establishment doesn’t want told and made a serious run for the presidency.
Supporting/backing and VOTING are the exact same thing! You could argue that your vote is the most support you could possibly give them short of emptying your bank account for their campaign.
Who said support or back? I said vote for.
Our so-called democracy is degenerate at this point, both parties captured by overlapping corporate interests, each appealing to culture war issues but largely in agreement on issues such as economics, foreign policy, and domestic surveillance.
Sanders and Trump are among the very few politicians who both speak uncomfortable truths the establishment doesn’t want told and made a serious run for the presidency.
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Who said support or back? I said vote for.
Our so-called democracy is degenerate at this point, both parties captured by overlapping corporate interests, each appealing to culture war issues but largely in agreement on issues such as economics, foreign policy, and domestic surveillance.
Sanders and Trump are among the very few politicians who both speak uncomfortable truths the establishment doesn’t want told and made a serious run for the presidency.